GHOSTfaceP3 Member Posts: 1,364
June 2023 in General Discussions
It almost feels like old self care but not at the same time....you dedicate two perks to it but at the same time I play solo and my team is almost always unreliable 😅
CookieBaws Member Posts: 619
June 2023
I like it, i feel more independed that way. I don't need to run half of map to heal. + It's only slighly slower than normal.
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lifeisstrange Member Posts: 300
June 2023
I rather someone running self care than a person with urban/sprint burst who makes me hit hook 2, at least the self care person may take a hit for me and also solo que potatoes=dont be healing people anyways.
mikewelk Member Posts: 1,669
June 2023
It's unfortunate we have to ask questions like that when Self-Care is absolute hot garbage and we all know it. If you think it helps I don't see why not because I know very well what solo queue is like. However, you need to take Sloppy Butcher into account because every killer seems to run it now. I personally run Fogwise, Prove Thyself, Sprint Burst, and Windows Of Opportunity when I solo queue and it's working pretty well.
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jesterkind Member Posts: 7,413
June 2023
It's usable. It's a thirty second heal iirc, which for something unlimited is pretty good; it's only a bit longer than medkits, and you can only get two heals out of those. Plus, Botany Knowledge applies when you heal your teammates too, it's one of the best healing-related perks in the game.
The combo has a weakness, though, and it's that it is quite badly affected by anti-heal sources. Thirty seconds is already on the upper end of how long you want to spend doing this, and ideally you'd be doing it in bursts rather than all at once, so Sloppy Butcher alone harms the combo fairly noticeably.
Still! It's not a bad pick.
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GHOSTfaceP3 Member Posts: 1,364
June 2023
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3452764#Comment_3452764
Yea...anti heal perks are a pain lol I really wish COH would get a buff like let us heal at 90% or something or make self care heal at normal heal speeds
- See AlsoVitamin B1 to prevent constipation: Does it work?Does Botany Knowledge still stack with Self-Care?
mizark3 Member Posts: 1,992
June 2023
Botany with Self-Care makes it usable again, and still does help with healing teammates by saving a little over 5 real time seconds per allied heal (in most cases). Since it is a gameplay enabler, it allows for otherwise impossible actions, which is still always good. It has to be used strategically though, like on death hook, in a gen deadzone (away from remaining gens), while an ally isn't available, etc. I would say it usually is worse than the alternatives, but it makes soloq a lot more bearable when you don't want to bring a med-kit. (Blind tome or gen tome for example)
Exerlin Member Posts: 1,352
June 2023
Self-Care + Botany Knowledge lets you heal yourself more efficiently than being healed by someone else. Healing yourself with this combo grants +0.85 charges per second and requires 1 survivor. Being healed by another survivor by default grants +1 charge per second and requires 2 survivors. You need 16 charges to heal a health state, so the resulting self-heal from this combo lets you heal yourself infinitely in 18.8 seconds. Honestly, that's huge, especially since all other survivors can do whatever they want during the duration.
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Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,797
June 2023
Self-Care and Botany Knowledge is the equivalent of having unlimited med-kits for a trial.
scoser Member Posts: 466
June 2023
I'd rather run bond and find another survivor to heal me. Even running halfway across the map to get healed seems to be faster than self care + any buffs.
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Sonzaishinai Member Posts: 7,976
June 2023
It's allright. Slightly more effective healing yourself then having someone else heal you and you don't need to find anyone and you heal others faster too.
As long as you know when to heal and when not too it's decent
Riski Member Posts: 208
June 2023
Yes because botany is worth it by itself. Compared to We'll make it it's less of a bonus but you have it all the time which is very nice against killers such as wraith or legion who injure people without downing them a lot, making it a good perk. At this point selfcare is basically just old selfcare which is a good perk and defiently worth running if you want to keep yourself healthy, the only weakness is the change to hemorage (namely sloppy butcher) makes it much weaker when playing against it however botany is very good against sloppy butcher so this evens out.
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Steakdabait Member Posts: 1,263
June 2023
Makes selfcare usable but it's 2 perk slots for something that can be done with a medkit also if you run into a killer using sloppy you're back at 60~sec heal
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HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,013
June 2023
I hate self care. Number of times I've died on hook because someone is sat playing with themselves for 30+ seconds to heal is higher than times I've got downed because I couldn't find someone to fix me.
Bond is much better for getting healed than self care. And there are other much better less time consuming perks to heal with.
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sulaiman Member Posts: 3,216
June 2023
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3453073#Comment_3453073
Thats a) wrong, no matter how it feels, and b) good luck if you play solo on a server with russians, because they often wont heal you, but instead get away early if the killer comes, so he might go for you instead.
Spirit_IsTheBest Member Posts: 885
June 2023
I feel with the medkit changes Self-Care has definitely became an alright perk if your running Botany Knowledge for sure.
brokedownpalace Member Posts: 8,773
June 2023
I refuse to run healing perks because anytime I do I'm guaranteed to go against a ######### Plague.
Volcz Member Posts: 1,134
June 2023
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/378800/botany-knowledge-and-self-care-worth-it
I've been running it in my healing/altruistic build. Its extremely useful in situations where people don't want to help heal or you simply don't know where they are/can't risk going to an area of the map injured. & like you said, solo que is very bad and unreliable so it finds its use 9/10 times.
Ghoste Member Posts: 2,135
June 2023
It's ok. I would rather just bring a medkit though. Also consider that we're in a tunneling meta. If you get tunneled, then those perks don't do anything for you.
C3Tooth Member Posts: 8,266
June 2023
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3453594#Comment_3453594
Welcome to perkless play
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brokedownpalace Member Posts: 8,773
June 2023
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3453720#Comment_3453720
Lol exactly
Phantom_ Member Posts: 1,317
June 2023
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/378800/botany-knowledge-and-self-care-worth-it
Don't come for me, but in SoloQ I only run Self-Care (with Resi, PTS, and Leader or switch Leader for Distortion), and it has come in handy SO many times! But I only use SC in dire situations where a teammate can't heal me etc.
GillyBeannn Member Posts: 549
June 2023
Hyperfocus and stake out both stack with self care and botany. It's all a good combo for both gens and healing, best of both worlds.
Eelanos Member Posts: 359
June 2023
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/378800/botany-knowledge-and-self-care-worth-it
It's just a few seconds slower than pre-nerf circle and has the benefit of not having to rely on team mates while also providing faster heals to them when they need them. It's okay, considering self heal has been gutted.
If you feel like going self-care, botany almost feels mandatory.
Exerlin Member Posts: 1,352
June 2023
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3452847#Comment_3452847
This sadly isn't true... I was not aware that the formula for healing speed changed. Your speed bonuses are added up, and then everything gets multiplied by 0.35 . So that'd be, in charges per second, (1 + 0.5) * 0.35 = 0.525. This isn't too bad, but... I am a little disappointed.
I was wondering why this was slower than expected. I no longer think that Self Care is a good perk to use at all. I would recommend some other perk that gives you health (or even Leader at this point)
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